Rockwall 27 Garland 24

[grayowl60]

Rockwall had the better team, coaching, and they wanted the win more than Garland. In the second half they were the best team we have seen all year including Plano East IMO. Just a few thoughts about Garlands season so far:
Some of us old timers didnt like the early rank that the Owls had. Garland always has issues, hopefully early in the season.
Garland has not had an easy first four games. The record for those four teams is 11-5 with two fo those losses to Garland.
Allen 3-1, only loss to Garland by one point
PEHS 3-1, lost the first game by one point
DeSoto 3-1, only loss to Garland
Rockwall 2-2, other than the loss to the national champion, lost to Allen by one point.
The last time Garland lost two games in a row was in 03. Then beat Lufkin in the playoffs and lost to Allen in OT in the second round.
The last time Cosch Jordon called a dive play on fourth, while behind with very little time left, was against John Tyler. He was a genius:eek:
WHAT IF: Garland put its best player in at qb like Plano did? #9 would get the ball every play:D
Lots of football left. Its going to be interesting

[Favpack]

good game and tough loss. This clearly shows the separation between SLC and the rest of the state - scary is the word since SLC destroyed Rockwall.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Garland wins mainly with pure athleticism. The "dive right-dive left" system can only take one so far. (< Outcoached) And they're rarely disciplined. (< Too many mistakes.) My guess is, Garland will win out - beating everyone they physically outman...then they may catch a break in the playoffs.

I do think, however, they'll be good for 1 upset in the Playoffs. Who?! We'll just have to wait and see.;)

[GarlandOwl06]

Garland wins mainly with pure athleticism. The "dive right-dive left" system can only take one so far. (< Outcoached) And they're rarely disciplined. (< Too many mistakes.) My guess is, Garland will win out - beating everyone they physically outman...then they may catch a break in the playoffs.

I do think, however, they'll be good for 1 upset in the Playoffs. Who?! We'll just have to wait and see.;)
You're exactly right greatone, Garland has a chance to win most games solely because of athleticism. The question each week is are our athletes good enough to make up for being so horribly outcoached each week? It gets more rediculous each week. We might win out in a weak district but come playoff time the same thing that happens every other year will happen this year. We want to go to the next level?? We HAVE to get rid of Jordan. No question about it. As HBJ said last night, "This is the most talented Garland team in the last 25 years there is NO reason they should be losing ANY games." Well it's 2 in a row both because the other team was more prepared than us. Rockwall made the halftime adjustments nessacary to beat us. We..of course...didn't make any adjustments.

And GrayOwl, this team's performance has nothing to do with a high preseason ranking. When people look in from the outside they see our talent and wonder how we couldn't be the #3 team in the state. It's not our athlete's fault! And that is becoming more and more appearent each week.

[grayowl60]

You're exactly right greatone, Garland has a chance to win most games solely because of athleticism. The question each week is are our athletes good enough to make up for being so horribly outcoached each week? It gets more rediculous each week. We might win out in a weak district but come playoff time the same thing that happens every other year will happen this year. We want to go to the next level?? We HAVE to get rid of Jordan. No question about it. As HBJ said last night, "This is the most talented Garland team in the last 25 years there is NO reason they should be losing ANY games." Well it's 2 in a row both because the other team was more prepared than us. Rockwall made the halftime adjustments nessacary to beat us. We..of course...didn't make any adjustments.

And GrayOwl, this team's performance has nothing to do with a high preseason ranking. When people look in from the outside they see our talent and wonder how we couldn't be the #3 team in the state. It's not our athlete's fault! And that is becoming more and more appearent each week.
Xcuse Me hoss?! When did I ever say say that the Owls performance had anything to do with preseason rankings. Garland was rated high because of defense, and we lost to much on d for a high rating." Why my team lost?" Coaching? BS! Oh yes its easy to second guess, but I didnt hear much from you after John Tyler last year. Garland ISD has a system that allows around 500 young men to play varsity football. Like it or not "athleticism" is spread thin. If I have a problem with the coaching. its the lack of development of passing QBs, long term. But thats another story. I wish we could let other teams whine about coaching when they get beat by a better team:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[owlfan 1]

Last night made me want to puke.

However, having slept on it and thought about it a little, I think the time has come to lower the expectations on this team a little.

Someone near me last night said something that I believe is true: This team was ranked so highly because everyone thought thier defense would be even better than last year - that they would smother and stomp everyone they face. Combine that with an offense that features the normal Garland power running attack AND a healthy Malcolm Williams, and this team can play with anyone in the state.

Unfortunately, the defense is no where near as good as thought, the running game is weaker than it has been in years, and the passing game, while better than it has been, is still not good enough to carry the team.

What we have here is a good football team bordering on very good, but not great - at least not like some of us Owl fans had hoped. Take nothing away from Rockwall - they wanted it bad, and they earned it. But Garland, as has been the case all year, could not cover the skinny post, could not consistently squash the run, and could never establish any consistency on offense.

As for coaching - The Owls do what they do. The coaches can't create things that are not there. This team does not have a dominating offensive line, does not have a power runner, does not have a suffocating defense, and has very little senior leadership. The coaches call plays that they think will work - the players have to execute. Both parties can accept the blame when things dont work.

This is not a state champion level team. Not really even close. Lets accept them for what they are, enjoy the rest of the year, and see what happens in the playoffs...

[c-lisle]

Last night made me want to puke.

However, having slept on it and thought about it a little, I think the time has come to lower the expectations on this team a little.

Someone near me last night said something that I believe is true: This team was ranked so highly because everyone thought thier defense would be even better than last year - that they would smother and stomp everyone they face. Combine that with an offense that features the normal Garland power running attack AND a healthy Malcolm Williams, and this team can play with anyone in the state.

Unfortunately, the defense is no where near as good as thought, the running game is weaker than it has been in years, and the passing game, while better than it has been, is still not good enough to carry the team.

What we have here is a good football team bordering on very good, but not great - at least not like some of us Owl fans had hoped. Take nothing away from Rockwall - they wanted it bad, and they earned it. But Garland, as has been the case all year, could not cover the skinny post, could not consistently squash the run, and could never establish any consistency on offense.

As for coaching - The Owls do what they do. The coaches can't create things that are not there. This team does not have a dominating offensive line, does not have a power runner, does not have a suffocating defense, and has very little senior leadership. The coaches call plays that they think will work - the players have to execute. Both parties can accept the blame when things dont work.

This is not a state champion level team. Not really even close. Lets accept them for what they are, enjoy the rest of the year, and see what happens in the playoffs...


great post

[garlandowl08]

Last night made me want to puke.

However, having slept on it and thought about it a little, I think the time has come to lower the expectations on this team a little.

Someone near me last night said something that I believe is true: This team was ranked so highly because everyone thought thier defense would be even better than last year - that they would smother and stomp everyone they face. Combine that with an offense that features the normal Garland power running attack AND a healthy Malcolm Williams, and this team can play with anyone in the state.

Unfortunately, the defense is no where near as good as thought, the running game is weaker than it has been in years, and the passing game, while better than it has been, is still not good enough to carry the team.

What we have here is a good football team bordering on very good, but not great - at least not like some of us Owl fans had hoped. Take nothing away from Rockwall - they wanted it bad, and they earned it. But Garland, as has been the case all year, could not cover the skinny post, could not consistently squash the run, and could never establish any consistency on offense.

As for coaching - The Owls do what they do. The coaches can't create things that are not there. This team does not have a dominating offensive line, does not have a power runner, does not have a suffocating defense, and has very little senior leadership. The coaches call plays that they think will work - the players have to execute. Both parties can accept the blame when things dont work.

This is not a state champion level team. Not really even close. Lets accept them for what they are, enjoy the rest of the year, and see what happens in the playoffs...

I gotta agree with you here. I for one am glad I'm not a senior because from the looks of it, this won't be the most fantastic way to go out. Good luck to Rockwall the rest of the year and I can still support my Owls because of this reality check.

[GarlandOwl06]

Xcuse Me hoss?! When did I ever say say that the Owls performance had anything to do with preseason rankings. Garland was rated high because of defense, and we lost to much on d for a high rating." Why my team lost?" Coaching? BS! Oh yes its easy to second guess, but I didnt hear much from you after John Tyler last year. Garland ISD has a system that allows around 500 young men to play varsity football. Like it or not "athleticism" is spread thin. If I have a problem with the coaching. its the lack of development of passing QBs, long term. But thats another story. I wish we could let other teams whine about coaching when they get beat by a better team:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

On Thursday night I went and watched North Garland and Lakeview play. Don't ever try to look at me with a straight face and say that the talent in this district is spread evenly throughout. And how can you tell me you have absolutly no problems with the coaching? When our nationally recruited player touches the ball twice in the first half with 2 touchdowns (1 called back on a hold) and then he doesn't get the ball AT ALL in the second half that is a joke and it IS the coaches fault no matter how much you want to suck up to them by saying they're doing a halfway decent job. Try to watch the game from an unbiased point of view then tell me how you feel about the coaching. Jordan might be a nice guy, great father, but he is not the head coach of a football team with state championship aspirations year in and year out. No questions asked. I could go all day about the teams and the players he has let slip through his fingers. It is a joke and I'm tired of watching it year in and year out.

[grayowl60]

On Thursday night I went and watched North Garland and Lakeview play. Don't ever try to look at me with a straight face and say that the talent in this district is spread evenly throughout. And how can you tell me you have absolutly no problems with the coaching? When our nationally recruited player touches the ball twice in the first half with 2 touchdowns (1 called back on a hold) and then he doesn't get the ball AT ALL in the second half that is a joke and it IS the coaches fault no matter how much you want to suck up to them by saying they're doing a halfway decent job. Try to watch the game from an unbiased point of view then tell me how you feel about the coaching. Jordan might be a nice guy, great father, but he is not the head coach of a football team with state championship aspirations year in and year out. No questions asked. I could go all day about the teams and the players he has let slip through his fingers. It is a joke and I'm tired of watching it year in and year out.
Name one ISD with more than two teams that has consistant runs at championships. Katy is the only exception. There are many reasons for that and one of them is what is available in the budget for coaching. Garland ISD has seven systems, each coach makes the same, and each one has players that could start at GHS. Why not just enjoy what we have like fan one says. Who knows "chemistry" may happen. Dont expect garland isd to hire any top 100k per year hot shot coaching for you. Not going to happen.

[GarlandOwl06]

As for coaching - The Owls do what they do. The coaches can't create things that are not there. This team does not have a dominating offensive line, does not have a power runner, does not have a suffocating defense, and has very little senior leadership. The coaches call plays that they think will work - the players have to execute. Both parties can accept the blame when things dont work.

This is not a state champion level team. Not really even close. Lets accept them for what they are, enjoy the rest of the year, and see what happens in the playoffs...


Ok so tell me.....adjustments made after the first half by a great head coach for Rockwall that kept Garland form scoring again and kept Malcolm from touching the ball and Garland making no adjustments has nothing to do with coaching?!?!

[ASH1157]

Allen fan here...I called this victory for Rockwall over Garland after we played Garland the first week and Rockwall the second. I even posted those thoughts on the Dallas Morning News blog, but got shot down by their so-called experts there. They said Garland could beat anyone in the Top 10 except maybe SLC (and they said thisAFTER Garland lost to Plano East!).

Rockwall has something...I don't know what it is. I just know that, comparing Garland against Rockwall, I thought Rockwall had more than Garland. Spunk? Moxie? Who knows...I do think they've learned a thing or two about how to win in big time games situations after playing the likes of Allen, Midland Lee, and SLC this season.

So, congratulations to the Rockwall Yellow Jackets! A team whose colors are orange and white and who have the fight song of A&M. There's something about all that that didn't make sense to me...but it works for them.

[Rockwall HS]

Allen fan here...I called this victory for Rockwall over Garland after we played Garland the first week and Rockwall the second. I even posted those thoughts on the Dallas Morning News blog, but got shot down by their so-called experts there. They said Garland could beat anyone in the Top 10 except maybe SLC (and they said thisAFTER Garland lost to Plano East!).

Rockwall has something...I don't know what it is. I just know that, comparing Garland against Rockwall, I thought Rockwall had more than Garland. Spunk? Moxie? Who knows...I do think they've learned a thing or two about how to win in big time games situations after playing the likes of Allen, Midland Lee, and SLC this season.

So, congratulations to the Rockwall Yellow Jackets! A team whose colors are orange and white and who have the fight song of A&M. There's something about all that that didn't make sense to me...but it works for them.


Thanks and thee orange yellow jackets is simple... we could diecide from A&M or UT so we took UT's colors and A&M's fight song

[SLC13]

Thanks and thee orange yellow jackets is simple... we could diecide from A&M or UT so we took UT's colors and A&M's fight song

Nice try RHS, but no self respecting Longhorn would claim Rockwall "orange" as equivalent to the Burnt Orange......... :D

Congrats on the good win.The PO's should be within reach for y'all if you continue to play like that!!

[owlfan 1]

Ok so tell me.....adjustments made after the first half by a great head coach for Rockwall that kept Garland form scoring again and kept Malcolm from touching the ball and Garland making no adjustments has nothing to do with coaching?!?!

Rockwall was doubling Malcolm and cutting off the lanes for the quick passes that were working in the first half. The way to adjust to this is to start running the ball between the tackles, since the safties are not playing up on the run anymore. We did this, but could not run because the Rockwall D line, with little to no saftey support, manhandled and tossed our O line around for the majority of the 2nd half.

Rockwall made great adjustments in the 2nd half, but the kids still had to execute them. It would be great if Garland had a Donte Sloan or Taurance Rawls, with a Buddy Brummit or Mike Gandy to run behind, to smash small D Lines and gain chunks of yards. We don't. Jeff can't create that out of thin air.

There were numerous plays called where Malcolm was the primary reciever in the 2nd half - but Greg did not throw to Malcolm either because he was covered, Greg was pressured, or Greg decided to throw somewhere else (he has multiple options on each play).

If Jaquez breaks free in the 4th quarter, or if Malcolm holds on when wide open in the 2nd quarter, or if his 90 yard run is not called back, or if a million other execution mistakes did not happen, we win by at least 10 and Jeff is the toast of the town.

Jeff Jordan is not the problem. Is he perfect? No. Are some of his play calls odd? Yes. But if you had a coach who played the percentages, always passed on third and 5, always punted on 4th down, and so on, you'd complain then, too.

I sincerly hope you never have a job where your performance is based on the ability of 15 and 16 year olds to execute your plan - and have to endure hundreds of Saturday morning experts who know your job better than you.

I got nothing but love for you, '06, but I sincerly disagree with you on this...

[GarlandOwl06]

Rockwall was doubling Malcolm and cutting off the lanes for the quick passes that were working in the first half. The way to adjust to this is to start running the ball between the tackles, since the safties are not playing up on the run anymore. We did this, but could not run because the Rockwall D line, with little to no saftey support, manhandled and tossed our O line around for the majority of the 2nd half.

Rockwall made great adjustments in the 2nd half, but the kids still had to execute them. It would be great if Garland had a Donte Sloan or Taurance Rawls, with a Buddy Brummit or Mike Gandy to run behind, to smash small D Lines and gain chunks of yards. We don't. Jeff can't create that out of thin air.

There were numerous plays called where Malcolm was the primary reciever in the 2nd half - but Greg did not throw to Malcolm either because he was covered, Greg was pressured, or Greg decided to throw somewhere else (he has multiple options on each play).

If Jaquez breaks free in the 4th quarter, or if Malcolm holds on when wide open in the 2nd quarter, or if his 90 yard run is not called back, or if a million other execution mistakes did not happen, we win by at least 10 and Jeff is the toast of the town.

Jeff Jordan is not the problem. Is he perfect? No. Are some of his play calls odd? Yes. But if you had a coach who played the percentages, always passed on third and 5, always punted on 4th down, and so on, you'd complain then, too.

I sincerly hope you never have a job where your performance is based on the ability of 15 and 16 year olds to execute your plan - and have to endure hundreds of Saturday morning experts who know your job better than you.

I got nothing but love for you, '06, but I sincerly disagree with you on this...

Ok just tell me what adjustments we made in the second half??? Its funny I was watching the Tech Aggie game and after halftime Andre Ware said "You can tell a great coaching staff by the adjustments they make after halftime" I can't belive people continue to defend Jeff. I am going to stand by this all year and I hope HOPE I get proven wrong.

Tell me that the problems Garland has aren't the same ever year since Jeff took over....its the same thign every single year. You can sit and say the players have to execute but execution comes from preperation and practice and yoru coaches pounding it in their heads. Jeff is a good D coordinator he is not cut out as a head coach and just to let you know im not a 16 year old and have been watching Garland football my whole life having friends and family play for them and even they say now that the problems havn't changed.

And its not that I would not have gone for it on 4th and 2 but a QB sneak!? come on man thats just common sense even if we had made it I would have questioned the call. And whats the excuse for the last drive of the game? I don't know why people keep defending Jeff but this is a board for opinion and thats what this is for so im not trying to get personal. I think my biggeset pet peave here is that Malcolm is touching the ball 6 times in two games combined....and if hes getting double teamed then we should have another reciever 1 on 1 right? That is ruled out though because we have 1 passing route and thats the fade...what happend to 728 that play is always open across the middle? And why don't we have greg just take a three step drop instead of rolling out on every pass play and having him run for his life.

[GarlandOwl06]

Rockwall was doubling Malcolm and cutting off the lanes for the quick passes that were working in the first half. The way to adjust to this is to start running the ball between the tackles, since the safties are not playing up on the run anymore. We did this, but could not run because the Rockwall D line, with little to no saftey support, manhandled and tossed our O line around for the majority of the 2nd half.

Rockwall made great adjustments in the 2nd half, but the kids still had to execute them. It would be great if Garland had a Donte Sloan or Taurance Rawls, with a Buddy Brummit or Mike Gandy to run behind, to smash small D Lines and gain chunks of yards. We don't. Jeff can't create that out of thin air.

There were numerous plays called where Malcolm was the primary reciever in the 2nd half - but Greg did not throw to Malcolm either because he was covered, Greg was pressured, or Greg decided to throw somewhere else (he has multiple options on each play).

If Jaquez breaks free in the 4th quarter, or if Malcolm holds on when wide open in the 2nd quarter, or if his 90 yard run is not called back, or if a million other execution mistakes did not happen, we win by at least 10 and Jeff is the toast of the town.

Jeff Jordan is not the problem. Is he perfect? No. Are some of his play calls odd? Yes. But if you had a coach who played the percentages, always passed on third and 5, always punted on 4th down, and so on, you'd complain then, too.

I sincerly hope you never have a job where your performance is based on the ability of 15 and 16 year olds to execute your plan - and have to endure hundreds of Saturday morning experts who know your job better than you.

I got nothing but love for you, '06, but I sincerly disagree with you on this...

Ok just tell me what adjustments we made in the second half??? Its funny I was watching the Tech Aggie game and after halftime Andre Ware said "You can tell a great coaching staff by the adjustments they make after halftime" I can't belive people continue to defend Jeff. I am going to stand by this all year and I hope HOPE I get proven wrong.

Tell me that the problems Garland has aren't the same ever year since Jeff took over....its the same thign every single year. You can sit and say the players have to execute but execution comes from preperation and practice and yoru coaches pounding it in their heads. Jeff is a good D coordinator he is not cut out as a head coach and just to let you know im not a 16 year old and have been watching Garland football my whole life having friends and family play for them and even they say now that the problems havn't changed.

And its not that I would not have gone for it on 4th and 2 but a QB sneak!? come on man thats just common sense even if we had made it I would have questioned the call. And whats the excuse for the last drive of the game? I don't know why people keep defending Jeff but this is a board for opinion and thats what this is for so im not trying to get personal. I think my biggeset pet peave here is that Malcolm is touching the ball 6 times in two games combined....and if hes getting double teamed then we should have another reciever 1 on 1 right? That is ruled out though because we have 1 passing route and thats the fade...what happend to 728 that play is always open across the middle? And why don't we have greg just take a three step drop instead of rolling out on every pass play and having him run for his life.

[owldog]

GARLAND OWL 06 I am not going to disagree or agree with you. Promise me this, On Tuesday night go to the field house and watch the films. Coach Jordan is there and he explains every play that worked and didn't work and when he made a mistake he says it. There are all kinds of people watching the films, parents of current player, parents of past players, fans that have no players, you will not stand out. Films start at 7:00 in the team room.

If nothing else you will get to hear why Jordan called the plays he did and even if you do not agree with him you will get to hear what he was thinking.

[GarlandOwl06]

yea alright cool thanks...at least he said he got outcoached in the paper

[Rockwall HS]

Nice try RHS, but no self respecting Longhorn would claim Rockwall "orange" as equivalent to the Burnt Orange......... :D

Congrats on the good win.The PO's should be within reach for y'all if you continue to play like that!!

we were a burnt orange but then it changed...

[Whodat]

Heard a great quote from Herm Edwards today. There is always a better call for each call a coach makes. It ultimately comes down to the players executing the call the coach makes. He told his players not to worry about the call and go execute the play. If the Garland players would stop listening to their crazy parents, maybe they could execute the plays called. I think a lot of people are criticizing the Garland coaching staff for their play calling, but they made the calls they thought were right for the defense Rockwall was playing. No coach calls a play he thinks won't work. I don't know a coach that doesn't want to win. They see something the defense is doing and then they attack. Where are all the people that were saying Jordan was a great play caller after the John Tyler game last year. You guys need to get a life. Jordan has done a great job with the Owl Football Program. It is very hard to replace a State Championship coach like Joe Martin, but I believe Jordan has continued the winning tradition. Thank you Coach Jordan and your staff for continuing the tradition. I know you guys will bounce back from a tough loss against a very good Rockwall team. Don't listen to all the negative comments on this board.

[GarlandOwl06]

Heard a great quote from Herm Edwards today. There is always a better call for each call a coach makes. It ultimately comes down to the players executing the call the coach makes. He told his players not to worry about the call and go execute the play. If the Garland players would stop listening to their crazy parents, maybe they could execute the plays called. I think a lot of people are criticizing the Garland coaching staff for their play calling, but they made the calls they thought were right for the defense Rockwall was playing. No coach calls a play he thinks won't work. I don't know a coach that doesn't want to win. They see something the defense is doing and then they attack. Where are all the people that were saying Jordan was a great play caller after the John Tyler game last year. You guys need to get a life. Jordan has done a great job with the Owl Football Program. It is very hard to replace a State Championship coach like Joe Martin, but I believe Jordan has continued the winning tradition. Thank you Coach Jordan and your staff for continuing the tradition. I know you guys will bounce back from a tough loss against a very good Rockwall team. Don't listen to all the negative comments on this board.

Were you at the game? Of course no coach wants to lose but some are better at preventing it than others. Coach Jordan said and admitted in the paper that he was outcoached!! There are people on this board defending a guy who knows he was wrong. Horrible playcall after horrible playcall. And I completely disagree when you say Jordan has done a great job with the Owl program. A great job would be winning district every year and making a deep run in the playoffs. He's not even close to doing that. He does just enough to keep his job each year and he doesn't care about doing anything else.

[GoOwls]

Were you at the game? Of course no coach wants to lose but some are better at preventing it than others. Coach Jordan said and admitted in the paper that he was outcoached!! There are people on this board defending a guy who knows he was wrong. Horrible playcall after horrible playcall. And I completely disagree when you say Jordan has done a great job with the Owl program. A great job would be winning district every year and making a deep run in the playoffs. He's not even close to doing that. He does just enough to keep his job each year and he doesn't care about doing anything else.

Man, I understand your frustrations, but you aren't being very realistic.

First, if the plays had worked, we would be touting his greatness today. The plays he called weren't out of line, they just didn't work and weren't executed by the players.

Second, as for the outcoached thing, I think it pertains to the fact that Rockwall made adjustments at the half and Garland was left flat-footed and never could find the adjustment on offense or defense. I don't think he was speaking of playcalling.

Third, my young Owl, this is a 7 team city. We can't get all the talent all the time. It's going to be spread out some from time to time. We are still riding the coattails of the 1999 Champs to some degree. Our winning heritage can only carry you so far, at some point, the players must do it on the field. We did it very well on the field last year, these players must execute the plays on the field this year.

[GoOwls]

Were you at the game? Of course no coach wants to lose but some are better at preventing it than others. Coach Jordan said and admitted in the paper that he was outcoached!! There are people on this board defending a guy who knows he was wrong. Horrible playcall after horrible playcall. And I completely disagree when you say Jordan has done a great job with the Owl program. A great job would be winning district every year and making a deep run in the playoffs. He's not even close to doing that. He does just enough to keep his job each year and he doesn't care about doing anything else.

Man, I understand your frustrations, but you aren't being very realistic.

First, if the plays had worked, we would be touting his greatness today. The plays he called weren't out of line, they just didn't work and weren't executed by the players.

Second, as for the outcoached thing, I think it pertains to the fact that Rockwall made adjustments at the half and Garland was left flat-footed and never could find the adjustment on offense or defense. I don't think he was speaking of playcalling.

Third, my young Owl, this is a 7 team city. We can't get all the talent all the time. It's going to be spread out some from time to time. We are still riding the coattails of the 1999 Champs to some degree. Our winning heritage can only carry you so far, at some point, the players must do it on the field. We did it very well on the field last year, these players must execute the plays on the field this year.

Fourth, no offense to Jordan, but the district isn't going to put out the money needed for a hotshot young coach. Homer Johnson catches enough crap as it is about charges that he favors Garland over other schools. If he put out big cash for a hotshot coach and gave him to Garland, the C-R-A-P would hit the fan.

We just gotta make do with what we got. We will never be able to hire a Todd Dodge-like coach in Garland, unless he comes up through the ranks in-house. And even then, he won't be here for long because there are plenty of one school districts that will pay handsomely for his services.

[grayowl60]

Were you at the game? Of course no coach wants to lose but some are better at preventing it than others. Coach Jordan said and admitted in the paper that he was outcoached!! There are people on this board defending a guy who knows he was wrong. Horrible playcall after horrible playcall. And I completely disagree when you say Jordan has done a great job with the Owl program. A great job would be winning district every year and making a deep run in the playoffs. He's not even close to doing that. He does just enough to keep his job each year and he doesn't care about doing anything else.
I think Garland is 36-11 in the last three years, beat Lufkin and lost to Allen in overtime in 03, lost to the state champ in04, and went three rounds last year. I think we won district two of those three years. Seems like there are some coaching experts like you on this board from Plano. have you ever thought of moving there? You deserve Plano and they deserve you:rolleyes:

[owlfan 1]

Actually, it's a dream of mine to live in Plano someday... :p

We are spoiled. 36-11, and some of us are calling for the firing of our coach. Goodness, how absolutely ridiculous we must look to those teams that scrap and claw just to make the playoffs each year.

Guys, a part of our problem is that we want to be Judson, Lufkin, or SLC - we want a program that we can count on to contend for state title year after year. That just is not realistic. This is not the NFL. We have a great program that produces winning teams year in and year out. We make noise in the playoffs more often than not - we're a tough team to play, and everyone we line up against knows it. That will have to be good enough.

As stated before, perhaps we should be happy with what we have - sure, strive to be the best, work hard to win, push for excellence - but don't start ripping the program apart because we don't win every game and get to wear Santa hats on TV in December.

I sure like this a lot better than the '80s and early '90s. Its a lot more fun when you win.

[GarlandOwl06]

It's not that its not great that we are at least a winning team every year and what not but for a team that gets the amount of talent garland does and a team who is familiar with state championships at some point settling for a 2nd 3rd round loss just isnt enough....noone can question that we should be competing for a championship every year and I just think Jeff limits us to ever competing for one... I mean if everyone is content with going 2 rounds and out every year than hey jeff is your man he will get you a winning season and 1 or 2 rounds every year but he is not going to take you to that next level. Lets not forget that jeff has lost to naaman 2 or 3 times and lost to south 2 times in a row and also had one of the worst seasons in garland history.

[garlandowl08]

Lets just rename all the high schools Garland Central Campus, North Campus, South Campus, East Campus, West Campus, etc. and then be one gigantic high school. The talent pool would be amazing!

[owlfan 1]

sigh...

Okay. Fire the coach. That will make it all better.

Maybe Alford is available. Or perhaps we can go throgh another humiliting parade of big name coaches who wouldn't touch GHS with a ten foot pole before we hire another assistant.

Anyone want to flirt with Joey Florence again? that worked out well...

[g-town07]

garlandowl06

i dont understand why you have to be so negative. what happened, happened, and we cant change anything about it. coach jordan owned up to one of the worst coaching 2nd halfs in his career, and even said it to the newspaper reporters :eek:.
lets give these boys some positive reinforcement and finish out district 6-1 and be pumping on all cylinders by time playoffs rolls around.

[grayowl60]

I was just looking at the top 25 on this board and I noticed this: We beat #12, lost to #11 by a touchdown, and beat #21 by two touchdowns:eek: Our #15 has been a SHOESTRING away from breaking some long TD runs. If he gets an open field, nobody will catch him. If he had made a couple of those, we wouldnt be having this discussion;)

[DragonFan]

The highlights of the game can be seen at dfwgameoftheweek.com.

[GarlandOwl06]

I was just looking at the top 25 on this board and I noticed this: We beat #12, lost to #11 by a touchdown, and beat #21 by two touchdowns:eek: Our #15 has been a SHOESTRING away from breaking some long TD runs. If he gets an open field, nobody will catch him. If he had made a couple of those, we wouldnt be having this discussion;)


Yes you very well could be right.... I guess maybe the reason im so frustrated is that I know how great this team could be....Hopefully they will win out and go into the playoffs on all cylinders like yall said

[owldog]

OKAY OKAY I HAVE TO GIVE A PARENTS POINT OF VIEW. IN FEBRUARY DID YOU READ HOW MANY OWLS RECIVED COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS? NOT ALL D1BUT THE NUMBER WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE SINCE JORDAN HAS BEEN THERE NOT JUST SINCE HE HAS BEEN HEAD COACH. COACH MARTIN EVEN GAVE ALL OF HIS RECRUITING CREDIT TO COACH JORDAN. HE DEOS THE BEST POSSIBLE FOR THE PLAYERS AND YES HE WANTS TO WIN EVERY GAME BUT HE ALSO WANTS EVERY PLAYER TO HAVE A SHOT. THIS IS A TEAM GAME AND all PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY

I like what was said about our record, that is a winning record and do we want to win more, YES we do. Is it the coaches fault when the players act like 16 and 17 year olds and make mistakes, NO.

[GarlandOwl06]

OKAY OKAY I HAVE TO GIVE A PARENTS POINT OF VIEW. IN FEBRUARY DID YOU READ HOW MANY OWLS RECIVED COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS? NOT ALL D1BUT THE NUMBER WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE SINCE JORDAN HAS BEEN THERE NOT JUST SINCE HE HAS BEEN HEAD COACH. COACH MARTIN EVEN GAVE ALL OF HIS RECRUITING CREDIT TO COACH JORDAN. HE DEOS THE BEST POSSIBLE FOR THE PLAYERS AND YES HE WANTS TO WIN EVERY GAME BUT HE ALSO WANTS EVERY PLAYER TO HAVE A SHOT. THIS IS A TEAM GAME AND all PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY

I like what was said about our record, that is a winning record and do we want to win more, YES we do. Is it the coaches fault when the players act like 16 and 17 year olds and make mistakes, NO.


But see that kind of proves one of my points. Joe Martin did more with less talent than Jeff did with more talent. Don't get me wrong it is absolutely great that he is able to get these kids in situations to go to college for free.

[PlanoTexan]

Owl Fans...Calm down. Playoffs start in 7 weeks and you have plenty of talent to make a serious run. State Championships are not won in October. Let the kids regroup and make a push. Winning district gets you no additional benefits. Talent wins championship, I have yet to see a coach make a play on either side of the ball. Good Luck from a Plano East Fan.

[Whodat]

How do you figure Joe Martin did more with less? He had nine offensive lineman that he rolled in after 4 or 5 plays. All of the offensive lineman averaged 240-250 pounds. I have not seen that at Garland since the 1999 team. You can say all you want about the skill players being the best since 1999, but you need the hogs up front to move your team deep through the playoffs. If you saw the game Friday night, you would understand where Garland's weakness is and it is in the offensive line. They do not have the offensive line to make a deep run through the playoffs. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors for several years, and that comes down to coaching. Look at SLC and you will see Offensive linemen that are 6-4 260 across the board. You can do a lot when you have that kind of offensive line. Name one STATE Champion last year that had the offensive line the size of Garland's Offensive lineman. I think they did a great job beating teams with superior defensive and offensive line's from last year's 3 rounds deep into the playoffs. How many teams got to say they were practicing on Thanksgiving Day. I believe getting the most of what you have says a lot about the coaching ability of the OWLS.

[GoOwls]

How do you figure Joe Martin did more with less? He had nine offensive lineman that he rolled in after 4 or 5 plays. All of the offensive lineman averaged 240-250 pounds. I have not seen that at Garland since the 1999 team. You can say all you want about the skill players being the best since 1999, but you need the hogs up front to move your team deep through the playoffs. If you saw the game Friday night, you would understand where Garland's weakness is and it is in the offensive line. They do not have the offensive line to make a deep run through the playoffs. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors for several years, and that comes down to coaching. Look at SLC and you will see Offensive linemen that are 6-4 260 across the board. You can do a lot when you have that kind of offensive line. Name one STATE Champion last year that had the offensive line the size of Garland's Offensive lineman. I think they did a great job beating teams with superior defensive and offensive line's from last year's 3 rounds deep into the playoffs. How many teams got to say they were practicing on Thanksgiving Day. I believe getting the most of what you have says a lot about the coaching ability of the OWLS.

Whodat, just one little correction, and my following rant is not directed at you. Martin's O-line on the 1999 champ team was 9 guys. The center stayed in all the time. After 6 plays no matter where they were on the field he rotated in the four guards and tackles. The center was 260 lbs. The starting O-line averaged 287 lbs, and the rotated line averaged 291 lbs. Remember, the center was 260.

A line like that is what Garland, and no other Garland city team has had, before or since, and probably never will again.

This years line is an average of about 45-50 lbs less, and is less mobile. It should be no surprise that we are having troubles moving the ball and I'm surprised that some of the faithful are being so hard on the coach for not having behemoths like Martin did to pave the way.

Without those linemen, there would be no 1999 trophy in the case.

[jacket2]

Seems no GISD schools are incredibly happy with thier coaches. I say fire the AD that hired all these jokers. :D

[owldad]

Maybe we all need to give Rockwall a little more credit! I left at halftime(before I'm roasted, I did have legitimate reasons for leaving!!!) and was totally shocked when I found out what happened. Friends of mine have all told me the same thing: Rockwall made the necessary adjustments and their players stepped up to the plate. Forget the SLC debacle, Rockwall may run the table and take the district title.

[GarlandOwl06]

How do you figure Joe Martin did more with less? He had nine offensive lineman that he rolled in after 4 or 5 plays. All of the offensive lineman averaged 240-250 pounds. I have not seen that at Garland since the 1999 team. You can say all you want about the skill players being the best since 1999, but you need the hogs up front to move your team deep through the playoffs. If you saw the game Friday night, you would understand where Garland's weakness is and it is in the offensive line. They do not have the offensive line to make a deep run through the playoffs. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors for several years, and that comes down to coaching. Look at SLC and you will see Offensive linemen that are 6-4 260 across the board. You can do a lot when you have that kind of offensive line. Name one STATE Champion last year that had the offensive line the size of Garland's Offensive lineman. I think they did a great job beating teams with superior defensive and offensive line's from last year's 3 rounds deep into the playoffs. How many teams got to say they were practicing on Thanksgiving Day. I believe getting the most of what you have says a lot about the coaching ability of the OWLS.


I absolutely agree with you about the lineman, but I will say that Jim Ledford said that the line was one of our stronger points, but nonetheless they are undersized and that will cause a problem especially in the playoffseven though you could argue about Copperas Cove undersized O and D line that dominated our bigger lines.

The point I was trying to make however was that owldog had said Jeff has had more players go on to play in college than Joe Martin did. In saying that I was stating how that proved my point that Martin had done more with less.

Anyways welcome to the board whodat and Im looking forward to more arguments with you :p

[Gtown06]

Xcuse Me hoss?! When did I ever say say that the Owls performance had anything to do with preseason rankings. Garland was rated high because of defense, and we lost to much on d for a high rating." Why my team lost?" Coaching? BS! Oh yes its easy to second guess, but I didnt hear much from you after John Tyler last year. Garland ISD has a system that allows around 500 young men to play varsity football. Like it or not "athleticism" is spread thin. If I have a problem with the coaching. its the lack of development of passing QBs, long term. But thats another story. I wish we could let other teams whine about coaching when they get beat by a better team:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

did you watch the game at all????? Our coaches are terrible. We make a good defensive stand at about our 40 with around 2 mins left and jordan runs the same running play over and over. you cant tell me that rockwall has a better team than garland. thats probably one of the most ridiculous things you could say. how many 3rd down and 10 to go would you look on the sideline and see malcolm williams on the sidline???? or mayb frazier? jordan did that last year with antwine he would take him out on goal line. hes ridiculous and he needs to use his weapons a lot more than he does. by the plays he called you can tell that they watched no film over the team they were playing this week.

[owlfan 1]

did you watch the game at all????? Our coaches are terrible. We make a good defensive stand at about our 40 with around 2 mins left and jordan runs the same running play over and over. you cant tell me that rockwall has a better team than garland. thats probably one of the most ridiculous things you could say. how many 3rd down and 10 to go would you look on the sideline and see malcolm williams on the sidline???? or mayb frazier? jordan did that last year with antwine he would take him out on goal line. hes ridiculous and he needs to use his weapons a lot more than he does. by the plays he called you can tell that they watched no film over the team they were playing this week.

yep - they did not watch any film at all. They did, however, have a few mean games of dominoes and poker in the film room... :eek:

[grayowl60]

did you watch the game at all????? Our coaches are terrible. We make a good defensive stand at about our 40 with around 2 mins left and jordan runs the same running play over and over. you cant tell me that rockwall has a better team than garland. thats probably one of the most ridiculous things you could say. how many 3rd down and 10 to go would you look on the sideline and see malcolm williams on the sidline???? or mayb frazier? jordan did that last year with antwine he would take him out on goal line. hes ridiculous and he needs to use his weapons a lot more than he does. by the plays he called you can tell that they watched no film over the team they were playing this week.
Obviously you have much more football knwledge than several long time Garland fans that post to this board (in your dreams) so just rave on! But I will make my "ridiculous" statement again for you. last Friday Rockwall had the better team, by three points. I think thats why they play the agmes:confused: Teenagers change quickly and I believe Garland will have a good season. Ok, carry on with the coach bashing:rolleyes: